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Ron Besser
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Location : York, Pennsylvania USA
|  Subject: The Origins of Energy  Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:46 pm | |
| I do not remember if anyone has ever provided a graphic for the origin and evolution of the basic energies of the universe. So I am posting a graphic I made to explain the different phases of creation of material energy. It is a difficult subject for many, but completely essential if we are to understand the ultimaton at all.
Ron
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The graphic [below, beneath this text] shown indicates the basic master universe structure. It shows where energy originates. It shows how it gets distributed, and at what phase energy can be made use of by space travelers between galaxies. It does not show many interesting facts which are digressions and not spoken to. The “Key” highlighted in yellow describes the colored areas of the horizontal platter that the present universe is divided into. The black wavy lines emanating out from beneath the nuclear universe in dark red are the streams of energy that powers the material universe. The black bar with the three primary colors superimposed on it shows the basic progress of energy from its origins to its uses in space. It is the energy transmutation from cosmic force to universe power that is at the root of the intelligent use of the process to make ships fly quickly through space light years wide.
Meanwhile, I will attempt to explain the meaning of a portion of the graphic with the three colored rectangles superimposed on the black bar.
The blue rectangle represents COSMIC FORCE. Cosmic force is a field of emanations that is not yet recognizable material energy. Science is not truly conversant with the concept of its use in universe building, much less seek something undetectable except by indirection. Cosmic force can not be quantified either, but its presence by other means can be ascertained. When COSMIC FORCE emerges from the nuclear universe it is, in time terms, pre-reality. Cosmic force energy is a space potency, that which is added to space that is the fertility of space, in space, to build the universe.
The yellow rectangle represents EMERGING ENERGY. Cosmic force undergoes modification from its origins into a phase of energy that is on its way to being organized into the structures of energy we are familiar with, but it is not yet there. Emerging energy has two phases. Transmutation processes take cosmic force and changes it into first, puissant energy, and from puissant energy into gravity energy not yet responsive to linear gravity, but to the pull of absolute cosmic force. Linear gravity is a secondary property to materialized energy and does not apply to primary force organization which by its nuclear origins transcends material usages.
The red rectangle represents UNIVERSE POWER. At last now we have arrived at an energy level we are able to observe. Universe power is the energy available for universe building into the familiar atoms and other particles science examines. What our space brothers know about universe power is that it is also stamped with its cosmic [pre-gravity] origins in that it contains elements of surprising adaptability not observable by direct examination of the particles. Universe power always references its origins in spite of its materialization into organizations of electronic structures with familiar polarities (plus and minus charges or the lack thereof).
Universe power has ten phases of manifestation. Atomic construction is one phase of the ten. Much could be said about this organization, but such is irrelevant to the discussion we promised. If the red rectangle were subdivided into ten pieces, it is the first piece (the youngest) that should rivet everyone’s attention. The first phase of universe power is an energy we have hardly met well enough to know its use. It is everywhere, but is not claimed to do the work it should be doing even now on our planet.
Description of Phase I of Universe Power:
BEFORE energy is organized into electronic particles, it exists in a free state that characterizes all Phase I presences. Phase I energy may be found in space in the universe drifts of all space. These drifts act as a reservoir of energy waiting to be converted into the familiar particles and structures we know as materialized energy.
Phase I energy is not the Quark, for the Quarks have a charge. Phase I energy has no charge and does not react to linear gravity, nor is it neutral in the common understanding of that term. Quarks share certain commonalities with Phase I, because both spin different ways in three modalities and both clump through mutual attraction. Quarks contain Phase I units in various numbers (clumps) discretely arranged in their structure. However, it is to the electron we examine to see how the Phase I energy units work in atomic structures. Each electron is composed of 100 Phase I units. If the electron were to lose any one Phase I unit, the electron is disrupted and the particle that was an electron instantly converts into some other atomic form, for example, electrons become the mesotron by this action.  |
|   | | rhermen
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Fri May 30, 2008 10:09 am | |
| Hi Ron!
Cool diagram!
You state: "If the electron were to lose any one Phase I unit, the electron is disrupted and the particle that was an electron instantly converts into some other atomic form, for example, electrons become the mesotron by this action."
paper 42 page 479 states: "The charged protons and the uncharged neutrons of the nucleus of the atom are held together by the reciprocating function of the mesotron, a particle of matter 180 times as heavy as the electron."
How can electrons gain 180 times their original mass by losing a Phase I unit? If anything a Phase I unit sounds much like a photon.
Randy |
| | | | Ron Besser
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Location : York, Pennsylvania USA
| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:18 am | |
| Sorry Randy,for taking so long to answer the question which is far beyond my abilities of comprehension to tackle. If I understand the book properly, the mesotron changes places by oscillating between one type of particle and back again. This constant change between particle types may not explain the extra mass, but it may explain its effectiveness in being able to hold the electronic unit together since it can not degrade but remains in flux and therefore always freshly energized.
The Urantia Book omits the clues to be able to really explain the full evolution of matter. Prematter is found everywhere in the local universe, but we are unaware of its presence much less what its function may be in a time-space level. The Unqualified Absolute - the actual source of primoridal force from which matter evolves - pervades space on all levels of the universe. We are told there are huge oscillations near the presence of the UA on nether Paradise.
Could it be, and I am only suggesting as I do not know either, that these oscillations indicate a pressure within matter that ebbs and flows like our heart beat? Matter is related to the divine as energy that once was part of the original energy of the undiversified universe (i.e. before there was duality). The switching back of a mesatron to a proton or to an electron by this constanct pulsing of energy is quite mysterious to me. I once asked Michael of Nebadon, what makes the heart beat? (really an oscillation)
His reply was not detailed, but in essence he indicated it was the life force itself that behaves this way. Our hearts are living, but they are also matter, and it may be that the process of animation is at work at the center of an atom and maybe part of the mystery you point out about why a particle gains weight when it transitions into another particle. Our hearts and the mesotron pulse to enliven and at the same control matter into a stability of existence.
It may be that the loss of a Phase I particle causes the others to realign themselves with other particles to change the makeup of the structure of a mesotron. That would not surprise me, but in truth I have no real idea what happens to ultimatons when they loose one of their number that made an electron. The extra weight, to me, suggests the remaining ultimatons convert to another phases of matter that is heavier just like the mesatron talked about here.
Thanks for your post.
Ron |
| | | | urantiakid
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:36 am | |
| Hi you Guys,
All of this is so far beyond my conscious comprhension it is laughable, however there is a part of me that quickens with joy as I read it! I just want you to know there are those of us out here (I am sure that there are others) that are really enjoying this, even if we are clueless. Ha, Ha,  thank you.
Loveya..urantiakid.... |
| | | | rhermen
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:57 am | |
| Thanks for your reply Aronolac and you're entitled to believe whatever you wish. But I'm not buying it.
Randy
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| | | | Ron Besser
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:27 am | |
| Uhm, Randy - What are you not buying? The speculation? Do you have a better guess?
Ron |
| | | | joer
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:18 am | |
| Hey Ron Randy and The urantiakid. Peace be with you my friends. Hey Kid you're close to me in Santa Rosa (vallejo) email me anytime and I'll send you my digits and we can share TUB Stuff.
Anyway I just got back from MEXICO AND AM CATCHING UP on posts. Here's a thread on another site that while it doesn't talk directly about the orgin of energy, it certainly beats all around it. Enjoy! 
http://forums.truthbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=26878#26878
| rhermen wrote: | In following the general trend of this thread (which may be far off topic now from the fear of power and the power of fear) there is something occurring in space which is currently gaining in popular speculation. It most likely has relevance to this discussion.
from paper 42 pg 475: The short space rays. These are the shortest of all purely electronic vibrations and represent the preatomic stage of this form of matter. These rays require extraordinarily high or low temperatures for their production. There are two sorts of these space rays: one attendant upon the birth of atoms and the other indicative of atomic disruption. They emanate in the largest quantities from the densest plane of the superuniverse, the Milky Way, which is also the densest plane of the outer universes.
According to Science NASA:
Waiting for Cygnus X-3
| Quote: | | One of the brightest x-ray sources in the Milky Way seems about to erupt in a dazzling flare. By studying the explosion scientists hope to unravel an extragalactic mystery. |
| Quote: | | An artist's concept of a high-mass x-ray binary system like Cygnus X-3. Gas from a massive star feeds the accretion disk of an orbiting black hole or neutron star. The accreting gas heats up and shines brightly as an X-ray source. |
According to Hyperphysics of Georgia State University:
Cygnus X-3
| Quote: | | Located 37, 000 light years away in the constellation Cygnus, which straddles the galactic plane, is a powerful x-ray source named Cygnus X-3. Although it is only the third brightest x-ray source in the constellation after the famous Cygnus X-1, it is much further away on the far side of the galaxy and is obscured by intervening interstellar gas and dust near the galactic plane. When this is factored in, it appears to be one of the two or three most luminous objects in the galaxy in intrinsic brightness. It has received attention because it is one of the few sources of ultra-high energy cosmic rays with energies in the 100 - 1000 TeV range. But its most unique aspect is the production of anomalous cosmic ray events in a proton decay detector deep in Minnesota's Soudran iron mine. These events have defied analysis and have led to questions about whether Cygnus X-3 is a standard neutron star or perhaps something more exotic, like a star made of quarks. Cygnus X-3 is a compact object in a binary system which is pulling in a stream of gas from an ordinary star companion. |
As I understand it, cosmic rays with energies of 100-1000 trillion electron volts are far more powerful than gamma rays or x-rays. Cygnus X-3 may very well be a source of short space rays. I would also like to speculate that this could be considered evidence supporting the House Cleaning Scenario. But it this an example of the work of unseen beings among the order of Master Physical Controllers or some other order?
[Cygnus X-3 taken by Chandra X-Ray Observatory] Its relativistic jet is apparently pointed directly at our world.
Andrew B Collins, science and history writer has some interesting things to say about Cygnus X-3 and the Cosmic Ray Question. He also seems to be Looking for the Fifth Dimsension in Cygnus X-3.
| Quote: | | Quantum scientists and particle physicists have been attempting to confirm the existence of multiple dimensions beyond our own for over 25 years, and the construction of billion-dollar particle accelerators such as the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Geneva, will hopefully, when its becomes operational in 2008, enable us to detect echoes of the fifth dimension. However, now a team of Hungarian researchers feel that deep space might already provide the strongest evidence for the presence of a fifth dimension, and its suspected interaction with physical matter, with the key being extreme gravity within certain star systems...Since 1981 particle detectors located deep underground in both the USA and Europe have detected unique cosmic particles inbound from Cygnus X-3. They come in 4.79 hour cycles, reflecting the star system's unique 4.79-hour orbital signature. This can only happen if the cosmic rays are arriving directly from source, implying that they travel the estimated 30,000 light years distance from Cygnus X-3 without either being deflected by galactic magnetic fields - a characteristic of charged particles - or decaying en route to Earth. This means that they have to be long-living neutral particles, as well as hadrons - strongly interacting particles - since they produce heavy showers of secondary particles known as muons when they hit the upper atmosphere. |
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| | | | hurchel
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:38 pm | |
| Dear joer, that and your other post today is terrific, thought provoking stuff. so are we talking ultimatons? Do you think it could be a stabilizer/ anchor point?
There is a form of communication it seems with us. It seems to match our rhythm. Our universe is soo biggg. The creation so vast, it's like the adjustment buffer, and it sounds like it is amping up for some reason... |
| | | | joer
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:43 pm | |
| | hurchel wrote: | Dear joer, that and your other post today is terrific, thought provoking stuff. so are we talking ultimatons? Do you think it could be a stabilizer/ anchor point?
There is a form of communication it seems with us. It seems to match our rhythm. Our universe is soo biggg. The creation so vast, it's like the adjustment buffer, and it sounds like it is amping up for some reason... |
Howdy Hurchel! Good to hear from you. Both those posts were made by others. But like you, I found them very interesting and wanted to share them.
You wrote:
| Quote: | | There is a form of communication it seems with us. It seems to match our rhythm. Our universe is soo biggg. |
That's seems to tie in with some of the prespectives on this thread as well as the TUB statement about our vast universe being "a living organism".
| Quote: | 29:0.1 Of all the universe personalities concerned in the regulation of interplanetary and interuniverse affairs, the power directors and their associates have been the least understood on Urantia.
29:0.2 Though I deem it impossible to portray the individuality of the various groups of directors, centers, and controllers of universe power, I hope to be able to explain something about the domain of their activities. They are a unique group of living beings having to do with the intelligent regulation of energy throughout the grand universe.
29:4.25 5. Primary Associators. These interesting and invaluable entities are masterly energy conservators and custodians. Somewhat as a plant stores solar light, so do these living organisms store energy during times of plus manifestations. They work on a gigantic scale, converting the energies of space into a physical state not known on Urantia. They are also able to carry forward these transformations to the point of producing some of the primitive units of material existence. These beings simply act by their presence. They are in no way exhausted or depleted by this function; they act like living catalytic agents.
29:4.26 During seasons of minus manifestations they are empowered to release these accumulated energies. But your knowledge of energy and matter is not sufficiently advanced to make it possible to explain the technique of this phase of their work. They always labor in compliance with universal law, handling and manipulating atoms, electrons, and ultimatons much as you maneuver adjustable type to make the same alphabetical symbols tell vastly different stories.
116:7 THE LIVING ORGANISM OF THE GRAND UNIVERSE
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116:7.1 The grand universe is not only a material creation of physical grandeur, spirit sublimity, and intellectual magnitude, it is also a magnificent and responsive living organism. There is actual life pulsating throughout the mechanism of the vast creation of the vibrant cosmos. The physical reality of the universes is symbolic of the perceivable reality of the Almighty Supreme; and this material and living organism is penetrated by intelligence circuits, even as the human body is traversed by a network of neural sensation paths. This physical universe is permeated by energy lanes which effectively activate material creation, even as the human body is nourished and energized by the circulatory distribution of the assimilable energy products of nourishment. The vast universe is not without those co-ordinating centers of magnificent overcontrol which might be compared to the delicate chemical-control system of the human mechanism. But if you only knew something about the physique of a power center, we could, by analogy, tell you so much more about the physical universe.
116:7.2 Much as mortals look to solar energy for life maintenance, so does the grand universe depend upon the unfailing energies emanating from nether Paradise to sustain the material activities and cosmic motions of space. |
Like you and the Kid, Hurchel, I don't get all this stuff but I do get it enough where I find it extremely interesting and thought provoking and I thoroughly enjoy Ron’s Randy’s and others contributions to the interpretation and understanding of these ideas.
For example I see Ron’s explanation as Allen’s on the Havona Thread as a model they’ve created to help visualize these concepts as related in TUB. I see Randy’s and John Causland’s (Havona thread) explanations as correlations of these TUB concepts to modern emerging scientific knowledge. While I enjoy the conceptual models for basic understanding and interpretation of TUB concepts, I get tremendously excited by the possibility of correlations of TUB concepts to realistic (current scientific data) emerging data and redefinitions of our scientific knowledge.
While I understand as Allen pointed out in the Havona thread that these correlations are speculative and conceptually not complete in their correlative definitions to TUB concepts, they ARE INDEED an attempt to make realistic connections between general TUB concepts and our emerging conceptual frames of reference.
God I love the smell of contemplative thinking in the morning! (or even late at night)
So anyway Hurchel then I see us you and I and the Kid and others like us with an interest in science without formal degrees or in depth studies in the field, adding spice to the conversation with our sharing of our ideas and perspectives.
Like I myself would guess that the ultimatons would be even smaller than photons and that perhaps the loss of a basic 100th unit of an electron while it doesn’t seem likely to be a mesotron of the weight Randy suggested might cause a change in the way a gravity force upon the remaining 99/100 unit particle in a way to make it responsive to that gravity in the form of a relative weight change. It’s might be possible. Right? Even though it seems unlikely.
Peace all! God’s blessings be with you. 
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| | | | Ron Besser
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:52 pm | |
| Hello Joer, and others who may follow these narratives,
I believe the Urantia Book implies the ultimaton does not have mass. If it did have mass, then it would be subject to linear gravity, but it is not thus so subject to it.
P.465 - §2 Atoms and electrons are subject to gravity. The ultimatons are not subject to local gravity, the interplay of material attraction, but they are fully obedient to absolute or Paradise gravity, to the trend, the swing, of the universal and eternal circle of the universe of universes. Ultimatonic energy does not obey the linear or direct gravity attraction of near-by or remote material masses, but it does ever swing true to the circuit of the great ellipse of the far-flung creation.
There is also this statement which is intriguing because it seems to indicate that the gradant, a universe unit of weight, starts with recognition of the mature ultimaton. What is that? Small as they are, you mean to tell me there is a smaller? immature version out there? Here is the quote:
P.519 - §3 The standard mile of Jerusem is equivalent to about seven Urantia miles. The standard weight, the "gradant," is built up through the decimal system from the mature ultimaton and represents almost exactly ten ounces of your weight.
What may be the size of this unit? If we speculate that it is used in the decimal system based on ten, then it probably is 1/1,000,000,000 of they hydrogen atom, the smallest atom in the universe. That is, guessing that the gradent may be built up by existing universe matierial units.
Could it be that the ultimaton can be an energy unit but is without mass?
They also describe the ultimaton as infinitesimal - I believe that is very, very small, but 100 of them make an electron which does have mass. What is the size of an elctron in the gradent system. Divide that by 100 and I assume you have a good approximation of the ultimaton's unit measurement.
(P. 1155) . . .we all live and move and have our being, from the creatures of space to the citizens of Paradise; and this is just as true of the master universe as of the infinitesimal ultimaton . . . .
Let's see - these ultimatons all have a tendency to clump together, but apparently they are not endlessly clumpng because once they have formed a unit of the atom, they reject too many getting on board. So they must, by inference, have a force charge as the new identity they do not display by themselves.
I think the Urantia Book describes this phenomena above this way:
P.479 - §0 . . . synchronized with electronic velocity and ultimatonic revolutions. This force is not wholly dominated by your recognized laws of positive and negative attraction; its behavior is therefore sometimes unpredictable. This unnamed influence seems to be a space-force reaction of the Unqualified Absolute.
Hence, my little illustration at the top of the post becomes explanatory about the influence of the UA on force-energy as it emerges from its cradle of creation. What the chart doesn't tell us is why should an ultimaton retain this influence? My answer would be that this influence is the reason why any individual construction of a unit of energy is not predictable and must therefore permit the universe to have spontaneous reactions to given forces, and that they are not all the same kind of reactions to the same forces. Good ol' science is going to have a field day with that one for a long time to come.
Ultimatons also, as individuals, can flow through an atom's empty space! And not disturb a hair on its charged head.
I have used this behavior to speculate that if one dumped a lot of free ultimatons all over one's space craft, he would cloak it. They, I theorize, have no mass of their own and take on the shape of the energy field they flow over. Since they are massless they could also carry our craft in their own energy circuit of distribution; i.e., really the space highways of the universe.
Therefore, it is the ultimaton which is the source of the dreamed of zero-point energy. But be aware that it will take the right kind of ultimaton to do these tricks. Are all the ultimatons that form an electron unsuitable to use as propellant? What type of ultimatons are attracted to a coil, and how many windings of the coil will collect what type of an ultimaton? I think we need an accidental discovery to those answers and then analyze them after we know what we have works.
Ron |
| | | | urantiakid
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:11 pm | |
| This is so fantastic. Thanks to all of you for this subject and to you Ron for starting it. I have nothing of value to offer but am really enjoying this. I will have to come back and re read all of this again. I am in a rush these days and can only grab a little here, a little there. I want to chew on all of this great stuff. Thanks guys.
Loveya all.... |
| | | | joer
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:28 pm | |
| Hey Ron Thanks for the great post. It’s so wonderful because it opens up so many avenues or explorative interpretation. It’s almost like it says an ultimaton has no mass or weight and then it implies it does. So it leads us to speculate on “What the ultimaton is? and what are the forces it is subject to? and how does it come into creation? Among other things.
First of all you have an assumption that is based on things as we know them, which we know are inadequate in that they don’t recognize the ultimaton or forces that it reacts too.
| Quote: | I believe the Urantia Book implies the ultimaton does not have mass. If it did have mass, then it would be subject to linear gravity, but it is not thus so subject to it.
P.465 - §2 Atoms and electrons are subject to gravity. The ultimatons are not subject to local gravity, the interplay of material attraction, but they are fully obedient to absolute or Paradise gravity, to the trend, the swing, of the universal and eternal circle of the universe of universes. Ultimatonic energy does not obey the linear or direct gravity attraction of near-by or remote material masses, but it does ever swing true to the circuit of the great ellipse of the far-flung creation. |
So we have the first assumption of ultimatonic non-weight even though expressed as a belief can’t be validated right off the bat.
Then I love this one. I love it when a person reads such from TUB and then says, “what is that!” I love that expression.
| Quote: | There is also this statement which is intriguing because it seems to indicate that the gradant, a universe unit of weight, starts with recognition of the mature ultimaton. What is that? Small as they are, you mean to tell me there is a smaller? immature version out there? Here is the quote:
P.519 - §3 The standard mile of Jerusem is equivalent to about seven Urantia miles. The standard weight, the "gradant," is built up through the decimal system from the mature ultimaton and represents almost exactly ten ounces of your weight.
What may be the size of this unit? If we speculate that it is used in the decimal system based on ten, then it probably is 1/1,000,000,000 of they hydrogen atom, the smallest atom in the universe. That is, guessing that the gradent may be built up by existing universe matierial units. |
I’m not sure where 1/1,000,000,000 of the hydrogen atom comes from. If you take 10 oz. and work backward by powers of ten. And if you make 1oz. = to 1x10^1 then 1/10 of an oz would be 1x 10^-1 a hundredth of an oz would be 1 x10^-2 and thousandth of an oz would be 1x10^-3 and so on down to any power of ten like perhaps 1 x10^-23 which I think on pure speculation might be the weight on an ultimaton that has measurable weight to that degree (1 x10^-23) of an oz. That is an ultimaton that has the property of weight not one that doesn’t have that property.
| Quote: | | Could it be that the ultimaton can be an energy unit but is without mass? |
Maybe. But At some point energy has to attain mass and exist in time to have a physical material presence.
41:9.1 The larger suns maintain such a gravity control over their electrons that light escapes only with the aid of the powerful X rays. These helper rays penetrate all space and are concerned in the maintenance of the basic ultimatonic associations of energy. The great energy losses in the early days of a sun, subsequent to its attainment of maximum temperature—upwards of 35,000,000 degrees—are not so much due to light escape as to ultimatonic leakage. These ultimaton energies escape out into space, to engage in the adventure of electronic association and energy materialization, as a veritable energy blast during adolescent solar times.
42:1.2 Matter—energy—for they are but diverse manifestations of the same cosmic reality, as a universe phenomenon is inherent in the Universal Father. " In him all things consist. " Matter may appear to manifest inherent energy and to exhibit self-contained powers, but the lines of gravity involved in the energies concerned in all these physical phenomena are derived from, and are dependent on, Paradise. The ultimaton, the first measurable form of energy, has Paradise as its nucleus.
42:4.3 The power centers and their associates are much concerned in the work of transmuting the ultimaton into the circuits and revolutions of the electron. These unique beings control and compound power by their skillful manipulation of the basic units of materialized energy, the ultimatons. They are masters of energy as it circulates in this primitive state. In liaison with the physical controllers they are able to effectively control and direct energy even after it has transmuted to the electrical level, the so-called electronic stage. But their range of action is enormously curtailed when electronically organized energy swings into the whirls of the atomic systems. Upon such materialization, these energies fall under the complete grasp of the drawing power of linear gravity.
42:5.4 Ultimatonic rays. The assembly of energy into the minute spheres of the ultimatons occasions vibrations in the content of space which are discernible and measurable. And long before physicists ever discover the ultimaton, they will undoubtedly detect the phenomena of these rays as they shower in upon Urantia. These short and powerful rays represent the initial activity of the ultimatons as they are slowed down to that point where they veer towards the electronic organization of matter. As the ultimatons aggregate into electrons, condensation occurs with a consequent storage of energy.
| Quote: | | They also describe the ultimaton as infinitesimal - I believe that is very, very small, but 100 of them make an electron which does have mass. What is the size of an elctron in the gradent system. Divide that by 100 and I assume you have a good approximation of the ultimaton's unit measurement. |
Well according to Wiki Answers the weight of an electron is 9.109 382 15(45) × 10-31 kilograms (Kg) so 100th of that would be 9.109 382 15(45) × 10-33 kilograms (Kg) the weight of an ultimaton, one that I am assuming has clumped together with enough other ultimatons to reflect the effect of linear gravity.
| Quote: | (P. 1155) . . .we all live and move and have our being, from the creatures of space to the citizens of Paradise; and this is just as true of the master universe as of the infinitesimal ultimaton . . . .
Let's see - these ultimatons all have a tendency to clump together, but apparently they are not endlessly clumpng because once they have formed a unit of the atom, they reject too many getting on board. So they must, by inference, have a force charge as the new identity they do not display by themselves. |
Or like filling the valence of an electron as an organized unit (called an atom) any other random ultimatons would used in the formation of other atoms.
| Quote: | I think the Urantia Book describes this phenomena above this way:
P.479 - §0 . . . synchronized with electronic velocity and ultimatonic revolutions. This force is not wholly dominated by your recognized laws of positive and negative attraction; its behavior is therefore sometimes unpredictable. This unnamed influence seems to be a space-force reaction of the Unqualified Absolute. (Praadise Gravity)
Hence, my little illustration at the top of the post becomes explanatory about the influence of the UA on force-energy as it emerges from its cradle of creation. |
(energy) | Quote: | | What the chart doesn't tell us is why should an ultimaton retain this influence? |
(it’s following the pattern of a creative Son and the energy materialization of formation of a Mother Spirit.
| Quote: | | My answer would be that this influence is the reason why any individual construction of a unit of energy is not predictable and must therefore permit the universe to have spontaneous reactions to given forces, and that they are not all the same kind of reactions to the same forces. |
Yeah it might be that too. | Quote: | | Good ol' science is going to have a field day with that one for a long time to come. |
We shall see.
| Quote: | Ultimatons also, as individuals, can flow through an atom's empty space! And not disturb a hair on its charged head.
I have used this behavior to speculate that if one dumped a lot of free ultimatons all over one's space craft, he would cloak it. They, I theorize, have no mass of their own and take on the shape of the energy field they flow over. Since they are massless they could also carry our craft in their own energy circuit of distribution; i.e., really the space highways of the universe. |
Maybe that’s the process of emseraphiming a physical body to get it to go 3C. But I think if you really want to book, you have to move to an entirely different energy level perhaps even dimensionally changing from all things physical to all things spiritual.
| Quote: | | Therefore, it is the ultimaton which is the source of the dreamed of zero-point energy. |
I’m not sure what that is. | Quote: | | But be aware that it will take the right kind of ultimaton to do these tricks. Are all the ultimatons that form an electron unsuitable to use as propellant? |
Don’t know. | Quote: | | What type of ultimatons are attracted to a coil, and how many windings of the coil will collect what type of an ultimaton |
? Good Question.| Quote: | | I think we need an accidental discovery to those answers and then analyze them after we know what we have works. |
I’ll say.
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| | | | Ron Besser
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:53 am | |
| Zero point energy is being called by other names. Most Urantia Book readers refer to this self-replenishing energy source zero point. I speculate that Tesla probably had a solution with the coil he attached to his auto for demonstration purposes.
His heirs had his papers for years and people could read them, but during World War II, the government seized, classified them, and they were withdrawn from being an open source.
Urantia Book students have a lot of interest in what the UB calls the every-where energy source floating in space drifts that circulate within time-space. Many have also begun research on the possibility of harnessing these units to get away from carbon-based fuels. In a way the ultimaton is the ultimate energy resource. But no one has said whether one type of ultimaton or all of them are suitable to use to collect for purposes of fuel and energy.
Recently a Urantia Book reader asked a celestial for suggestions about how to proceed to find the elusive ultimaton. Here was the answer:
Celestial: Let me tickle your curiosity. What would you think of this universe energy as existing as "pre-mass?" That you are coaxing something to come into existence as mass or energy?
Perhaps that does not give you enough answer or lead, but the universe was built upon ultimatons, which are pre-mass, they are that which can be mass, or energy. They are energy—universe energy—whereas the energy you would like to see is dimensional energy.
Some way, you must coax these ultimatons to "appear" in your device. The approach to this is completely non-linear; it is not within the normal spectrum of your physics, but is more along the lines of what may be called "intuitive physics."
Your philosophers think of this as a "Zen experience," finding it without searching, having energy come into existence without actively, physically generating it, though you may have a device that produces it.
I am not at liberty to disclose what I know, and you can tell that I have only alluded to a partial answer that you would like to hear. Our universe physicists are unable to assist you. The work that you seek to develop is authorized through the Most Highs . . .
The "Holy Grail" of energy that you seek does exist; it has been invented, [Ron- is he referring to Tesla's work here?] though we wish to see it created and invented again in parallel, many times over on your planet. The greed and fear of your world is pervasive and in some cases it is justifiable, as far as fear is concerned, that this may fall into the wrong hands. Those who are greedy are also afraid it might fall into the "wrong hands," meaning yours and those of other well meaning individuals . . . .
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Ron |
| | | | Allen Graycek
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:49 pm | |
| Ron and all, thanks for these interesting posts.
I have noticed the sentiments of the celestials for us to keep our hands off things that perhaps only a few in power would grab control off and push even further the rest of us into slavery to them. I am not talking about our government.
I think there needs to be full disclosure to the public of all activities at levels of secrecy that involve our space brothers before we will have a clue as to how to harness energy that is readily available.
But what do I know.
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| | | | jimiller5
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| | Subject: Re: The Origins of Energy Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:21 pm | |
| | Very interesting, Ron. Could you provide a link for the original transcript? |
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